tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34487693.post115906525771347351..comments2023-06-25T03:32:04.960-07:00Comments on Tom's Rhetoric: Tom's Challenge #1 winners announcementJust Tomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03780049932951525654noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34487693.post-1159151479997635892006-09-24T19:31:00.000-07:002006-09-24T19:31:00.000-07:00Thought this was topical:http://www.westwindworld....Thought this was topical:<BR/><BR/>http://www.westwindworld.com/productinfo.tpl?sku=20040630193954&cart=11591509981551640 <BR/><BR/>(Also comes as a t-shirt, button, etc.)<BR/><BR/><BR/>--GGGye Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972251323124084977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34487693.post-1159122417309867132006-09-24T11:26:00.000-07:002006-09-24T11:26:00.000-07:00No worries, Brooke, That's what the contest is ab...No worries, Brooke, That's what the contest is about... now for the next one...Just Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03780049932951525654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34487693.post-1159109622229034152006-09-24T07:53:00.000-07:002006-09-24T07:53:00.000-07:00Ok, now I get who you're talking abut. And I'm ol...Ok, now I get who you're talking abut. And I'm old enough that my history books in school still talked about him as a hero. However, a quick search online showed me much more of the true story than I'd known before. Thanks, Tom, for having such an educational contest!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34487693.post-1159069675039514112006-09-23T20:47:00.000-07:002006-09-23T20:47:00.000-07:00Actually, Jackie, you make a good point: example:...Actually, Jackie, you make a good point: example: Bush actually BELIEVES that he is doing the right thing in Iraq. <BR/><BR/>My comments about ethics were actually not directed at Columbus individually but that those ethics didn't even exist at the time-- reacting to my friend saying something to the effect of, "those were the times." To some maybe. Would this exonerate Dick Cheney from giving his company, Halliburton, no-bid contracts from the government if later we say, "well that was the way things were back then?" It's wrong and he knows it's wrong. He is just committing an ethical crime (conflict of interest) and getting away with it on a technicality (he is on a deferred salary while he is in the whitehouse). I'm not sure what Columbus' thinking was. In some regards for all of his atrocities he may be less evil than Cheney as he may have thought he was doing God's will. Cheney is more like a mafia boss.Just Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03780049932951525654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34487693.post-1159068368753324972006-09-23T20:26:00.000-07:002006-09-23T20:26:00.000-07:00Columbus' own men were so appalled by his greed an...Columbus' own men were so appalled by his greed and creulty that they returned him to Spain in chains, but he was freed to make another trip! Compared to gold, what is the life of a savage or two ... hundred thousand?Charlene Amsdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417995779960967945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34487693.post-1159067168833063112006-09-23T20:06:00.000-07:002006-09-23T20:06:00.000-07:00Alright, alright...I finally turned it in...to the...Alright, alright...I finally turned it in...to the wrong place at the wrong time! LOL<BR/><BR/>Seriously, it was an atrocity and the truth of what happened should be known by all.<BR/> <BR/>But, between you and me: Tom, I COULD agree that Columbus SHOULD have seen the ethics if others could, but, I would then have to assume he had the same yardstick (belief system, perceptions, etc.) as Las Casas, wouldn't I? And I don't know that he did. He committed 'crimes against humanity', in our definition, but did he even accept them as 'human'? Many believed that the indians were 'savage', meaning not human, animal like. Of course, bottom line, it's an atrocity even to treat animals like that!Jackie's Gardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03887018175988195927noreply@blogger.com