Monday, September 18, 2006

"Okay, Mr. Smarty Pants, what the hell do we do then?"

(I wrote this in response to an e-mailed response to yesterday's post by an individual who suggested rather eloquently that if the American people lacked the common decency not to do it, we could reduce the region to glass and knock them back to the stone age, then occupy and set up the new government, much as we did in Japan after WWII.)

I enjoy and invite your comments. In fact, if there is a way to win the war, what you propose is the closest I’ve seen to being feasible. I don’t condone it because I am, I suppose, putting it in your words, one of those possessed with the common decency not to nuke entire populations. But let’s pretend that this “common decency” didn’t exist and we were more than happy to wipe the enemy off the face of the earth. Well, where are they? They are spread across the globe in cells, they are in the mountains of Afghanistan on the Pakistani border, they are in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine. And that’s not to mention the African nations. There is no target. You could nuke one fourth of the globe and the next day a terrorist who was somebody’s suburban neighbor in London would bomb another train. We are not fighting a people as much as an ideology.

The next big question to throw back this way then would be, “Okay Mr. Smarty Pants, what the hell do we do then?”

Here is a very naïve and idealistic model: It seems to me that we cannot denounce violence while we are being violent. We must not become the enemy. Think about it: your saying that we must eradicate every Jihadist Muslim off the face of the earth, or as close to it as we can-- by reducing them to the stone age. Sounds eerily familiar if you listen to Jihadist rhetoric. Perhaps we can make a move in the name of a higher position. What about:

1: Announce that it has become self evident through history that violence begets more violence. That acts of aggression create acts of reprisal. That we understand that the enemy will use deadly force against innocent people to further their cause and that such a thing is wrong and that we won’t have any part in it.

2. Acknowledge that in all conflicts, both sides tend to believe that they are right and that either the people fighting or the governments ordering people to fight are willing to sacrifice lives for their “rightness.” This can make such conflicts go on for generation after generation after generation as these sentiments are handed down— look at the Israeli/Arab conflict.

3. Make a simple worldwide plea asking the world and it’s political and religious leaders to denounce violence, especially the killing of innocent people, in the name of their country or religion and stand together with the United States to make the first move towards a more peaceful planet. In this way, the world becomes allied with the US, further alienating the extremists.

4. Once global support can be rallied for a less violent approach to conflict resolution, the likelihood of an international coalition force giving support to the newly formed Iraqi government goes up and troop draw downs can begin for the U.S., improving public opinion. With less cost for operating costs of occupying Iraq with 140,000 US troops, support can be given to the Iraqi government in other ways.

If the US changes it’s position of being a known aggressor and acting police force for the whole world (whether they like it or not), and becomes a promoter of peace, it would take some of the wind out of the sails of those who hate the US. How do you continue hating a reformed nation that wishes not to use force against other countries but extend a hand in diplomacy and have a policy of non-violence? Statistics have shown and US generals and ex-cabinet members are saying that the actions taken by this administration have only stirred up the hornets nest and created a breeding ground for terrorists. We certainly can’t be doing any worse than we are on this tack.

Food for thought. Would love to hear more from you on this.

Cheers,

Tom

7 Comments:

At 9:42 PM , Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

The only way to rid the earth of terrorists is to rid the earth of humans. Every playground bully is a terrorist. Every tail-gater is a terrorist. Anyone who deliberately instills fear in anyone else to gain their own means is a terrorist.

Tom, your points are excellent. I wish your commenter had posted publicly.

 
At 10:06 PM , Blogger Just Tom said...

QD,

He may have if I'd asked him. In his defense, Cindra was having a chat with him about the subject and I wrote a draft of the "we can't win the war" post before posting it and sent it to him as an e-mail. He then responded to my e-mail. Had I posted it first, who knows, he may have been a part of the comments/discussion. As it was it led to another post.

I liked your comments. Terrorism is a state of mind, not a conventional, WWII enemy. All we can do is change our state of mind-- look at Ghandi and the salt miners.

 
At 6:43 AM , Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

In seventh grade (1972) I lead my friends on a peaceful rebellion that got the girls dress code changed. It started with five of us, spread through the entire grade level and into eigth grade as well. There were only so many kids in a day that could be sent home for wearing slacks. Finally they gave up and granted us permission to wear them four days per week. A couple of the boys even joined our protest and wore skirts to school.

 
At 8:03 AM , Blogger Bazza said...

Wholeheartedly agree with you on points 1 to 3, not so sure on point 4, can't help feeling that immediate withdrawal of US troops (and UK for that matter) would be a clearer sign of peaceful intent. After all who's to say any country has the right to tell another how to run itself. However we both know this will never happen as long as there are people around who think the Muslims (or any other minority group)should be wiped off the face of the earth, especially when this often appears to be the "political" view.
Incidentally, yes it is an amazing coincidence that you mentioned on my blog.

 
At 9:25 AM , Blogger Just Tom said...

Excellent points, CJ and Bazza. the intent of point 4 was to "save face" enough that the draw down and transfer of power to an international force would allow for an exit that might be feasible. I agree with Cindra that we are just not advanced enough to get an immediate withdrawal to fly (in my opinion) and so point four is somewhat political. The only way to get something to work within the RA RA USA system is to continue the illusion that we have not lost the war, only making a noble decision and getting the world behind it.

The highly idealistic view is to say that we made a mistake and leave. This would leave a very unstable region that would most likely fall into a worse war (sectarian genocide, Taliban intimidation of the national force, civil war) before they are ready. I guess I feel that we made this mess and somehow we need to take some repsonibility for, not just walk away.

Terribly difficult situation to navigate through, though. And who the hell am I?

 
At 7:15 PM , Blogger Gye Greene said...

How about: Instead of going in with guns, we go in with **lots** of food and medicine? Then we show 'em that Yanks are actually pretty decent. Then a greater proportion would like us, and would be even more against the ever-shrinkig minority that doesn't like us (and more likely to rat out the few that don't like us -- because we're nice, and the terrorists aren't).

Howwzat? :)


--GG

 
At 7:55 PM , Blogger Just Tom said...

sounds good GG,

That can be part of the, "we want to be nice, now," policy. Somebody has to be the first to change the tough guy rhetoric. How many people want to blow up Norway? Or Iceland? Let's kill those meddling Finnish people and their stupid reindeer. They give shelter to that radical Infidel, anti-christ, Santa Claus. Death to Finland!

See what I mean?

 

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