Monday, September 25, 2006

Tom's Challenge #2 results

The results are in. First of all, I want to thank so many of you for participating or at very least, heckling the Challenge. We got responses from around the globe this time and so the Challenge circle grew a new ring. I visited lots of blogs and actually invited people who I thought might be interested and this led to our all out winner: A man I had run across a few times in the blogoshpere who seemed to have good things to say. I went to his blog and in his profile saw that he was a marine science professional with many similar interests and thought he might enjoy a crack at the Challenge. As it turned out, he was almost too good of a match for the subject as he was not only an ocean science researcher but had spent time in New Zealand and knew exactly who wrote the entry, of whom it was about and when it was written. With that introduction, here are the correct answers and winners:

Correct answers (cut and pasted from O Ceallaigh’s e-mail):

1. Commander (later Captain) James Cook
2. New Zealand Maori (I am unable to discover which iwi [tribe], if in fact it was recorded)
3. 1773, during the second voyage to New Zealand.

1st place honors go to O Ceallaigh
2nd Place goes to Brooke, who got Capt. Cook, wasn’t too close on who the people were (suggested native Americans), but did get very close on the year (she put 1775)
3rd place goes to Bazza who got Capt. Cook, Australia/New Zealand but had a date of 1778 (both got 2 out of 3 but Brooke’s answer came in well ahead of Bazza—probably not a fair contest with the time zones the way they are) so I gave him third place.

Honorable mention goes to Jackie’s Garden, who put down Captain James Hook, Europeans and 1778. Now, Captain Hook was a delightful character in the classic, Peter Pan, but don’t think he made it into the history books. Also doubt he was talking about Europeans having a bad experience dealing with Europeans (though there is probably some truth to that). However, the fact that she put James in front of Hook leads me to believe that this was an unfortunate keystroke or phonetical slip up. Anyway, she deserves some mention.

So, Congratulations to all and thank you so much for playing!

Pursuant to our discussion of Columbus after Challenge number one, the ethical question of the deeds of Captain Cook is still hotly debated and much more enigmatic than that of Columbus. To add insight to the progressive thinking of this amazing mariner, here’s an observation he made of the people of New Holland (Eastern Australia) as he made his way up the coastline for the first time:

“…From what I have said of the Natives of New-Holland they may appear to some to be the most wretched people upon the Earth, but in reality they are far more happier than we Europeans; being wholly unacquainted not only with the superfluous but the necessary conveniences so much sought after in Europe, they are happy in not knowing the use of them. They live in a Tranquility of which is not disturb’d by the Inequality of Condition: The Earth and sea of their own accord furnishes them with all things necessary for life, they covet not Magnificent Houses, Household-stuff & c, they live in a warm and fine Climate and enjoy very wholesome Air, so that they have very little need of Clothing and this they seem to be fully sencible of, for many whome we gave cloth &c to, left it carelessly upon the Sea beach and in the woods as thing they had no manner of use for. In short they seem’d to set no value upon any thing we gave them.”

There are many passages that show a very fair and balanced, almost modern, assessment of the people Cook encountered and though firm with the natives if they attacked his men or stole from them he was equally firm with his own men if they committed crimes against the natives—which included lashes at the post for stealing from them (some serious, corporal punishment).

I have only read the “Explorations of Captain James Cook in the Pacific as Told by Selections of his Own Journals 1768-1779” Edited by Grenfell Price, published on Dover (my copy c. 1971, don’t know if it is still in print) which is a great synopsis that gives great insight into the man and his journeys, mostly from the horses mouth. I own “Blue Latitudes” by Tony Horowitz, the New York Times bestseller that retraces Cook’s voyages and gives a modern perspective of Cook from the cultures he impacted. I have not read the book but my father has and I have also done some reading on-line about the book. Herein lies the rub: he is not much of a hero to people he “discovered,” today. His prophetic statement that was in the Challenge #2 quote that commerce with Europeans does not benefit these cultures held true with his own explorations and contact with indigenous peoples and hence he was, however unwittingly, the deliverer of the poison seed of colonization and empire building that decimated the once pristine life of these people.

Now, I really like this guy. He is the original Captain Kirk—philosophical, always trying to do the right thing and one hell of a navigator. But he planted the flag (a bronze plaque really, if I remember right) that claimed the lands he “discovered” for England. Apparently, he wasn’t so philosophical about this act of discovery to allow the people he found to remain sovereign, at least in every case.

I’m not an expert on Cook, so I am inviting others, especially and hopefully O Ceallaigh, to chime in here and tell me what they think about Cook and his deeds. He’s certainly a better man than Columbus, morally speaking --- though I would argue a much better navigator and mariner as well. But was he also responsible for bringing about the end of days for the people he came into contact with? And if so, should he have known this or how could he have acted differently?



11 Comments:

At 2:34 PM , Blogger The amoeba said...

I can't claim to be a particular expert on Captain Cook. Most of my contact with him has been through the plants that his naturalists, particularly Joseph Banks, collected. I spend and have spent a lot of time navigating the realms of plant (especially seaweed) taxonomy.

Considerable insight on Cook has come from reading Caroline Alexander's The Bounty, in which Bligh is shown to be attempting to put into practice the principles he learned from Cook. Without sufficient backing from the Admiralty.

I find it very hard to interpret the life of any historical figure, because, of necessity, we interpret that figure in the lens of our own time.

For example, we might condemn, today, Cook's eurocentric imperialism as he claimed other people's lands for England. But (a) those were his orders, and (b) if he didn't make those claims, his competitors (Dutch, Portuguese, [gasp] the French) would, eventually. Can we, in good conscience, beat up on Cook when we have refrained from tossing those responsible for the Iraq debacle out on their ears?

We might condemn his treatment of his sailors. But the sailors expected no less - as Bligh, who bent over backwards to minimize his use of corporal punishment, discovered, to his cost.

Cook's ability, two centuries before the discovery of vitamins, to conquer scurvy, and his efforts to minimize the transmission of STDs from his sailors to the natives, a century before Pasteur made the discoveries that linked microbes to disease, have to stand as major achievements. It's not like other explorers didn't face the same issues. But Cook was the first to achieve a substantial success in conquering them.

Would I have enjoyed Cook's company today? Probably not. He put his trousers on one leg at a time like (most of) the rest of us. I hope he realized it. But by today's standards, he was less of a thief and murderer than most of his contemporaries. So I think, anyway.

 
At 4:24 PM , Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

I agree with O Ceallaigh. Yesterday I read the journal of Cook's first voyage. He tried to live by what I would describe as "the golden rule." He expected others to do the same and made no distinction of cultural differences. He also asked for permission, and a site when he claimed land. He told the natives that a "stopping place for trading" would be built. He could have very well believed it.

Today we are told to judge people by the mores of their own culture. In my Bible History class we are told to judge the people by the custom of their time. I think Cook deserves the same grace. For his time, compared to his contemporaries, he was a man of high morals and principles and he valued all human life. Even for today that's pretty dang good.

 
At 4:49 PM , Blogger Just Tom said...

Personally, I love the man. And I do take into account the times he lived in. If anything I think he was a cut above many imperialistically minded people. But his actions are not without controversy. Here is an excerpt from a review of Horowitz' book:

"Horwitz is careful not to come off like an adoring teenybopper; he knows Cook had faults and made mistakes, some of which were horrific, even for the time period. Taking Australia in the name of the King, for example, was both un-PC (today) and against stated British policy (back then):

This small act, which Cook would repeat at countless shores, remains a subject of contention. The Admiralty instructed Cook that "With the Consent of the Natives [he should] take possession of Convenient Situations in the Country." The Royal Society's Lord Morton...added that natives were "the natural, and in the strictest sense of the word, the legal possessors" of their land. Europeans couldn't occupy that territory "without their voluntary consent."

Both the Admiralty's and the Society's advice begged the question of what "consent" meant, and how Cook might gain it, given the barriers of language and culture. How could natives accede to an act that must have mystified them, made in the name of a sovereign and country the couldn't possibly imagine?

Interesting reading. The rest of the review is here http://www.toxicuniverse.com/review.php?rid=10004383 I don't know much about the website,toxic universe, though I have read the name but the reviewer seemed to be thorough and fair to me. Interesting reading.

 
At 5:49 PM , Blogger Charlene Amsden said...

Tom, I read that review yesterday. I spent most of yesterday emersed in things Cook -- and didn't get a meal out of it! However, I did get plenty of food for thought.

I think Cook attempted to live up to the spirit of his orders. Journals from other members of the voyages are available, too. I read bits and pieces of them yesterday and one describes the exchange of iron goods for land rights. The recorder says the natives had no use for the land and described it as an unsuitable place to live. I wish I could tell you which journal, but I didn't bookmark it.

 
At 6:47 PM , Blogger Just Tom said...

Excellent that you did that and can share from your researches. If I were really serious about answering the questions that I put forth for discussion I certainly would want to read several perspectives (journals) and come up with a composite view.

History is really interesting but almost completely inconclusive, so we are mostly spinning our wheels. However, I think it's good exercise to spin those wheels when we can learn to look from multiple perspectives on any given situation-- apply the thought processes to understanding the present. What are the times that we are currently immersed in and how do we make changes in these times?

In one of O Ceallaigh's blogs on global warming, he talked of how little we really care about global warming in our actions-- in that we know that it's an issue, but how many of us are leaving our car parked and riding our bikes to work, not enjoying every creature company that technology and energy affords us? Are we then guilty of causing global warming because we consume the way we do? Well yes and no. We are a product of our times and our upbringings, but we are also changing--I'm old enough to remember trash thrown from cars on the side of the freeway. Then there was this huge "Keep Oregon Green" campaign at every media level and some hefty fines. I see NO garbage on the side of the road now. I can remember when recycling had really no meaning to anyone and now it's curbside. And I mentioned in my response to his blog that "hybrid car" is now a common part of our vernacular.

It takes time and perspective and that's what we gain by doing these examinations, I think. If nothing else it's great to hear intelligent people's thoughts.

 
At 7:07 PM , Blogger Louisiana said...

oh wow, you blog too..now i know who you are for i clicked on wifey and it took me to Cindra's blog..okay here it comes, she is marvelous. not that i'm gay or nothing like that but i just wanted you to know that you did very good. of course i'm sure she did too for she would have only fallen for a great guy.

it's been my priviledge to meet her and her sis and mom and aunty and now you..nice to meet you.

i love the pic you have up for a profile..i have never seen a husband post his profile pic that includes the wife. most of them wouldn't want anyone knowing of her. you show her off and are proud to have her with you...most wonderful.

 
At 8:26 PM , Blogger Just Tom said...

Thanks and thanks for dropping in! Cindra is one helluva gal and it is kind of funny and some might say pathetic that we sit around at night after the wee one is in bed and we have helped the middle one with his homework and settled any battles between him and the elder sister and we finally put on our pajamas just four feet apart and write to anyone in the world and often to each other.

Strange and fun and a little scary. But it beats drinking and televeison by good mile (though we do enjoy a good beer from time to time with friends).

Nice to make your acquaintance. Cheers! Oh, and happy belated birthday!

 
At 11:20 PM , Blogger Jackie's Garden said...

Tom, glad you are enjoying the blogging. Sounds like you are making new friends, as well. You go, boy!

 
At 12:04 AM , Blogger Bazza said...

yahaay 3rd place, that'll do for me. I spend a lot of time at Whitby with the family, it's only 2 hours drive away, and of course has strong Captain Cook connections. (also famous for Dracula).

 
At 4:52 PM , Blogger Nessa said...

Oh, goody, learning new stuff. Keep it coming.

 
At 10:05 PM , Blogger Just Tom said...

Glad to hear your "voice" on the comments, Jackie. I thought you might have taken my ribbing over the Captain Hook thing personally. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. However, I just started my first wek of teaching and already curriculum prep, etc. is starting to eat into my blogging time. Also single parenting this first week of school. As it says in my profile, "ne'er a dull moment."

Goldennib, I'm learning much too. We are lucky to have some great contributors like O ceallaigh and quilldancer. cheers, TM

 

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